Hello everyone, I am new to the forum so forgive any mistakes, I have an underground cable supply to my shed (installed by an electrician) into a circuit breaker and then feeding 4 power sockets and 2x4' lighting tubes. I have the usual array of power tools ie drills, saws, grinder, and a oil filled radiator which all work as they should, recently I purchased a small Titan chain saw 240V when I try to use it plugged into the shed the circuit breaker immediately trips out on the power side but the lights are OK but the saw works perfectly on a extension lead from the house, in the last month I purchased a Titan table saw and the same problem occurred I have found that if I turn every thing else in the shed off including the lights the table saw will run if I have even a radio plugged and switched on it will NOT the same applies to the chain saw. Who should I turn to for advice and a solution to my problem. Regards Patrick
Don't know what sort it is, it is in the shed and its called a Proteus with 2 switches for lights and 2 for sockets and its one of the socket switches that trips out but does not affect the household supply.
You need a spark to test and isolate it being either the faulty breaker,saw or something else It needs a set of dead tests carried out. .
sounds like having anything other than the big saw or chain saw is over loading the circuit in your shed
It does seem to me that the rating of circuit breaker is to low, apart from those two saws everything else runs perfectly but those two are the biggest wattage tools I have so hence the trip out. The cable to the shed is about 20mm and there is 20m run to shed, I am wondering if I can get a higher rated circuit breaker?
Yes, sure it will be start current. Titan table saw is prob 1500W, so draws somewhere around 6A at full load. Inrush current (LRA) can be, depending on motor, up to 6 times full load current, so that table saw might be briefly kicking 30+ amps - enough to knock the breaker. I'll leave it to the sparks to suggest the remedy.
All sounds good sense but I know nothing about electricity apart the absolute basics I intend to get a qualified person to carry out any remedial work that's required but I prefer to know what the problem is rather than being in totally the dark(no pun intended) so hear is a pic of the unit for those interested. Thanks a lot Pat
That's a 10amp breaker ! That's 8.7 amps running current. add that to the 2.21 jigawatts of the radio and there's the answer to your predicament. The breaker is waaay to low, probably because the cable is waaay too small for the sockets and lights and their useage . Sounds like you need an upgrade to use it as a workshop. This is the danger of going cheap, despite the sparks advise. In the future you never know if you're going to buy power tools. Shedology says that a power supply capacity should always be > than anticipated and not < or = to.
What size breaker feeds it from the house? Turn it off in the house, take shed CU cover off, let's have a photo inside
defo change the breaker and make sure some one has not cheaped out with the cable. And also try a type c or type d breaker. (less likely to trip out from motor start up) hence why it is recomended that outside sockets are run off a type c or type d. As some lawn mowers can trip a type b on start up.
Type D should not be chosen willy nilly. It is often difficult to satisfy disconnection times with a type D.
Yep to many people just chuck in a Type D without consulting the relevant tables first - it is not cricket tbqh.
No. Install a C type. If it still trips re-wire the circuit so the OCPD can be increased. A D type is not suitable for general purpose sockets and I would be very very suprised of the earth loop impedance would be satisfactory even if it was on a dedicated circuit.
ahh my bad (working on to many large installs for transformer back ups and big charger feeds recently) got type d on the brain lol.