Shower Cable - to be 6mm2?

Discussion in 'Electricians' Talk' started by Leoric, Jan 12, 2007.

  1. Leoric

    Leoric New Member

    Bought new shower unit - 8.5KW. Cable already fitted is 6mm2, loosley fitted in brickwork and floor boards to the consumer unit. Estimate 13m length. Now, according to shower fitting instructions, loose-fitted 6mm2 (not conduit/enclosed/insulated wall) ok for up to 40A. But, strictly speaking, am I forced to upgrade to 10mm2?
     
  2. X

    X New Member

    am I forced to upgrade to 10mm2?

    No
     
  3. ban-all-sheds

    ban-all-sheds New Member

    40A seems a safe value - According to the wiring regs it's 47A for 6mm² embedded in non-insulating building materials.

    But if you can easily replace it with 10mm², I'd advise that, then you can take the shower back and get a decent one.
     
  4. X

    X New Member

    According to the wiring regs

    Page ?
     
  5. ban-all-sheds

    ban-all-sheds New Member

    210 and 228
     
  6. MRWONG006

    MRWONG006 New Member

    6mm stops at 7KW yes? no?
     
  7. Coloumb

    Coloumb Screwfix Select

    40A seems a safe value - According to the wiring regs
    it's 47A for 6mm² embedded in non-insulating building
    materials.

    But if you can easily replace it with 10mm², I'd
    advise that, then you can take the shower back and
    get a decent one.


    to continue...

    as well as removing the existing 6mm cable and installing a decent power shower that don't work on the lectric (excluding immersion heaters of course).
     
  8. ban-all-sheds

    ban-all-sheds New Member

    How do you know that he doesn't have either a combi, or too many people to shower from stored hot water?
     
  9. ban-all-sheds

    ban-all-sheds New Member

    See Table 4D5A...
     
  10. Coloumb

    Coloumb Screwfix Select

    He might well have a combi.
     
  11. Coloumb

    Coloumb Screwfix Select

    Which would need lectric I suppose.
     
  12. Coloumb

    Coloumb Screwfix Select

    Maybe a wood burning stove? or summit like dat?
     
  13. MRWONG006

    MRWONG006 New Member

    I was referring to this table



    Standard Shower Rating

    Watts (kW)
    Maximum load from the supply

    A
    Maximum size of Protective device
    Recommended

    Minimum

    Cable Size to be Used
    Recommended

    Protective Device

    6000 (6kW)
    26
    32A
    6mm2
    RCBO

    6500 (6.5kW)
    28.2
    32A
    6mm2
    RCBO

    7000 (7kW)
    30.4
    32A
    6mm2
    RCBO

    7500 (7.5kW)
    32.6
    40A
    10mm2
    RCBO

    8000 (8kW)
    34.7
    40A
    10mm2
    RCBO

    8500 (8.5kW)
    36.95
    40A
    10mm2
    RCBO

    9000 (9kW)
    39.13
    40A
    10mm2
    RCBO

    9500 (9.5kW)
    41.3
    45A
    10mm2
    RCBO

    10,000 (10kW)
    43.47
    45A
    10mm2
    RCBO

    10,500 (10.5kW)
    45.65
    50A
    16mm2
    RCBO

    11,000 (11.0kW)
    47.82
    50A
    16mm2


    All data in this table has been compiled with reference to BS7671: 2001. The IEE Wiring Regulat

    Cable Data taken from Table 4D2A. Page 222.
     
  14. X

    X New Member

    210 and 228

    I believe that 228 is for timber framed buildings

    222 is a better default.
     
  15. fooman

    fooman New Member

    like to see someone teminate some 16mm in a shower pull cord switch :^O

    hard enough getting 10mm in the deep pattress box :(
     
  16. I was referring to this table



    Standard Shower Rating

    Watts (kW)
    Maximum load from the supply

    A
    Maximum size of Protective device
    Recommended

    Minimum

    Cable Size to be Used
    Recommended

    Protective Device

    6000 (6kW)
    26
    32A
    6mm2
    RCBO

    6500 (6.5kW)
    28.2
    32A
    6mm2
    RCBO

    7000 (7kW)
    30.4
    32A
    6mm2
    RCBO

    7500 (7.5kW)
    32.6
    40A
    10mm2
    RCBO

    8000 (8kW)
    34.7
    40A
    10mm2
    RCBO

    8500 (8.5kW)
    36.95
    40A
    10mm2
    RCBO

    9000 (9kW)
    39.13
    40A
    10mm2
    RCBO

    9500 (9.5kW)
    41.3
    45A
    10mm2
    RCBO

    10,000 (10kW)
    43.47
    45A
    10mm2
    RCBO

    10,500 (10.5kW)
    45.65
    50A
    16mm2
    RCBO

    11,000 (11.0kW)
    47.82
    50A
    16mm2


    All data in this table has been compiled with
    reference to BS7671: 2001. The IEE Wiring Regulat

    Cable Data taken from Table 4D2A. Page 222.



    Why does'nt the 11.0 KW need a RCBO but all the others do ?
     
  17. Major Phucup

    Major Phucup New Member

    I believe that 228 is for timber framed buildings

    222 is a better default.


    Wow! :O


    400mm T/E! I bet that takes some fittin'?
     
  18. X

    X New Member

    Thank you
     
  19. Ripped Off

    Ripped Off New Member

    I believe that 228 is for timber framed buildings

    222 is a better default.


    Wow! :O


    400mm T/E! I bet that takes some fittin'?

    Just trim a few strands off and drill out the ceiling.
    ps forget about the patress box
     
  20. ban-all-sheds

    ban-all-sheds New Member

    Which table is that, Mr Wong?
    1) 4D2A is not the data for flat twin & earth cable.

    2) If they are using worst case figures from 4D2A (which they seem to be for the 6mm² cut-off point) then they should be recommending 16mm² at 9.5kW, not 10.5....
     

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