Solder/flux question

Discussion in 'Plumbers' Talk' started by Gazzalad2000, Jan 18, 2016.

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  1. Gazzalad2000

    Gazzalad2000 Member

    Hi guys

    Im doing my 1st house up and needing to save cash where i can so im going to have a go at some plumbing - ie soldering copper on the radiator circuit.

    I bought some cheap solder/flux from screwfix for the 1st attempt and after some trials i thought id try some leaded solder to see how much better it flowed.

    im noticing that even if i heat the pipe a lot, the solder i have doesnt run into the joint properly. im even heating so much its blackening the flux and the solder still doesnt seem to run right.

    So is it because im using cheap solder? ive read tin/lead mix is best but do you know where is best to buy it? is the fry stuff sold here ok?

    ps
    i now use powerflux and i read that that DOES work with leaded solder so it shouldnt be that i think

    thanks
     
  2. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    Some great advice in our Mr Plumb's video's, there loads of topics covered.:)





    I myself prefer to us a Mapp torch as used in video, it's quicker, the secret to good soldering is cleanliness of pipe & inside of fitting.
    Been using Powerflow flux & Fernox lead free solder for years.

    http://www.screwfix.com/p/fernox-solder-wire-lead-free/77198
     
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2016
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  3. Gazzalad2000

    Gazzalad2000 Member

    Hi mate

    Thanks for that, im pretty sure ive got the cleaning bit ok, ive got a lower temp torch tho which isnt ideal but the solder ive currently got just seems to sit there and not flow, even though the joint os def hot enough which is what made me wonder if it was not the best stuff.

    Im sure a time served plumber could use it no probs lol

    thanks
     
  4. mpcapri

    mpcapri New Member

    Are you sure there's no water still in the pipe? even a small amount can cause problems when trying to solder joints!
     
  5. Gazzalad2000

    Gazzalad2000 Member

    yes pipes were bone dry, no worries there
     
  6. malkie129

    malkie129 Screwfix Select

    I'm not a plumber,but it sounds like a cleanliness problem. Did you scour the pipe with wire wool?
     
  7. Gazzalad2000

    Gazzalad2000 Member

    yes mate, both wire wool, and a little plastic tool that scours them and de burred the inside too. my main point for posting was that however much heat i used the solder didnt seem to want to melt properly or flow

    thanks
     
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  8. mpcapri

    mpcapri New Member

  9. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    Some of the problems could be the quailty of the copper tube your using, got some here & it's horrible for soldering.
    I alway use quailty Yorkshore copper tube usually from Plumbase as that's close to me.

    Using powerflow fux & a lead free solder you shouldn't have any problems making perfect joints,if your cleanliness is up to scratch, just takes a bit longer with a propane toch compare to the hotter Mapp torch.
     
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  10. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    You can pick up GoSystem QP8088H Quick Pro Auto Mapp torch, can be found fairly cheap on Ebay, & the Monument 3450G Mapp Torch around £34 is another good torch again on Ebay.

    And use MappPlus gas, yellow canister.
     
  11. Heat the fitting not the pipe,the solder will then run in.
     
  12. Gazzalad2000

    Gazzalad2000 Member

    i was heating the fitting mate, i know the solder goes to where its hotter but i must be doing something wrong

    cheers
     
  13. plumber-boy

    plumber-boy Well-Known Member

    You just need practice and patience Gazzalad, the end of the day flux is flux, solder is solder, copper is copper and heat is heat it makes no difference.
     
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  14. Jitender

    Jitender Screwfix Select

    Make sure you are using leaded solder for CH pipework, and lead-free for any potable water applications.
     
  15. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    Practice, practice.

     
  16. Dave does Gas

    Dave does Gas Screwfix Select

    So if your having problems back to basics:
    Clean the pipe and check the fitting for cleanliness
    Apply the flux with a brush
    Make up the pipe and fitting
    Apply an even heat (patience needed)
    Touch the solder to the bottom of the fitting
    Wait for it to run evenly throughout the fitting
    Allow to cool before any movement.

    No other way to do it, as has been said it matters not which flux or solder you use.
     
  17. Gazzalad2000

    Gazzalad2000 Member

    thanks guys, its prob a case of poor workman looking to blame his tools lol

    maybe the internal joints arent as clean as i thought, ill try again and let you know how i get on
     
  18. Cannon86

    Cannon86 Member

    Too much heat can cause the fitting to go black and burn the flux out
     
  19. aTECH4u

    aTECH4u New Member

    Hello guys,

    I am a technician and the last two years I found a flux that cover all my needs.This product is the CS-FLUX and you can check all the details about it in some very interesting tutorials in the youtube. One very helpful is the following
     
  20. Pollowick

    Pollowick Screwfix Select

    Is it useful when trying to turn SPAM into Fritters?
     
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