Voltage between L and N

Discussion in 'Electricians' Talk' started by tore81, Dec 29, 2016.

  1. tore81

    tore81 Screwfix Select

    Upon changing an emergency led and isolated on the key switch.

    On confirming dead I seem to have voltage between N E.

    Any advice would be appreciated I can call an electrician but wish to know why
     
  2. leesparkykent

    leesparkykent Well-Known Member

    What did you measure the voltage with and how?
     
  3. tore81

    tore81 Screwfix Select

    My questions are shouldn't the emergency light be completely isolated on the key switch. Or is it safer to hit the breaker!

    I know this fault will have to be found. Would it be a case of testing polarity as I do have a polarity tester for lights.
     
  4. joinerjohn1

    joinerjohn1 Screwfix Select

    Is this one of those emergency lights that comes on if there's a power failure? If it is, your answer is staring you right in the face. ;)
     
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  5. tore81

    tore81 Screwfix Select

    First of all I used a fluke voltage pen which showed voltage then I thought I'd be certain so tested with the the proper digi lock voltage and continuity tester
     
  6. tore81

    tore81 Screwfix Select

    Yes they are non maintained
     
  7. leesparkykent

    leesparkykent Well-Known Member

    And what voltage did you measure? Do you have an analogue voltage tester you can use?
     
  8. tore81

    tore81 Screwfix Select

    Not sure quite what you mean John, key switch isolates power light comes on.

    No voltsge should be present unless from battery. So I'm guessing there is a fault polarity. Or a reasonable explanation
     
  9. Lectrician

    Lectrician Screwfix Select

    If it was switching the neutral, you would see 230v N to E, but also L to E.

    Are you SURE you are measuring correctly?
     
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  10. tore81

    tore81 Screwfix Select

    I had 240 present,

    I have a multi meter,
     
  11. CGN

    CGN Screwfix Select

    Carefully disconnect the neutral feed into the light and re-measure.
     
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  12. tore81

    tore81 Screwfix Select

    I will check Tommorrow.

    Shouldn't I have zero voltage across all.

    Is it safe to change as there is no power on the Line conductor. Is that what you mean
     
  13. tore81

    tore81 Screwfix Select

    I'm using the DL6780 Voltage & Continuity Tester

    With one probe on the L and Other probe on N zero voltage.

    Same method I'm picking up 240 on N -E
     
  14. tore81

    tore81 Screwfix Select

    This is to clarify if it is the Earth or the Neutral?
     
  15. Lectrician

    Lectrician Screwfix Select

    If you have 240v, between any conductors, it is NOT safe to change!

    Does the L to E remain at 240v too?
     
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  16. tore81

    tore81 Screwfix Select

    I'll check Tommorrow but I'm pretty sure it is Just N - E

    Which is strange.

    Am i right in thinking to change the light the MCB would isolate it all.

    Maybe back feeding off the neutral?
     
  17. nigel willson

    nigel willson Screwfix Select

    MCB switched off is not isolation! Neutral still connected. Isolation via DP switch.
     
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  18. tore81

    tore81 Screwfix Select


    Thankyou Nigel!

    So these key switches just cut the L for testing. I'll use the Lighting MCB in the DB. I was thinking along those lines.

    So that is perfectly fine. What I mean is im picking up the Neutral voltage as the key switch isn't double pole.
     
  19. Sparkielev

    Sparkielev Screwfix Select

    Turning MCB off for lighting will not isolate neutral, you need to turn off db to do that, you should consider getting electrician in as you should know this
     
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  20. Lectrician

    Lectrician Screwfix Select

    No.
     

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