Boiler fitted by unregistered guy. What do I do now?

Timber Lifter, I wish I could have bought them off a web site.

 

One was in copy and paste, the second in cut and paste
Clearly not done an ACS
Very bored with this now.
Think its really clear that you've not been able to prove the case Walter, now run along now and get some revision in for your 3rd degree (Underwater Oil Painting perhaps)

 

I really can't add to this epic discussion, other than to say I like Greggs mince pies better than Marks & Spencers mince pies...

My Mums got me an etch a sketch for Christmas, its in the loft and I've been playing with it.

B J

 

That is because you are not very bright. An average intelligence person would have seen it by now. I even explained it simply for you - the first three paras. To bottom line.

DIY is LEGAL as long the person doing the work is COMPETENT

Get used to it.

 

My final say on this.

Walt you are NOT qualified to give advice on gas related issued despite your self proclaimed competence. You've clearly never worked within the gas industry and have only gained your limited knowlege via the internet.

Next week Im going to turn up at my local hospital and see if I cant remove someones appendix, Im sure that Im competent to do it as Ive read how to do it on the internet. Given your argument there is no difference from me doing that and my neighbours six year old daughter servicing her dads boiler.

 

Ooooh, I like you, Dave, but that's not a reasonable parallel to make.

There are rools and regulations. I'm pretty sure some of them will cover a DIYer not being allowed into a hospital to carry out surgery regardless of how shagging brilliant he may be at wielding a scalpel.

But, at the moment, there is nothing in law to stop a 'competent' DIYer installing his own gas appliance. And competence is implied by doing a job that conforms with the manufacturer's installation requirements.

No DIYer to my knowledge (and I'm pretty sure it is the case) has been prosecuted - or even been threatened with prosecution - for fitting a gas appliance correctly, and I bet a few have been shopped by nasty neighbours, for example. Almost certainly it has happened that the 'authorities' have come out to investigate a claim, looked at a perfectly good install, shrugged and said 'no case to answer'.

I would also lay odds that a few professional plumbers have been chastised (at the very least) for carrying out paid 'competent' gas install whilst not being GasSafe'd. Ie - they have had their wrists slapped for simply being 'non-cert'd'.

 

(I bet it ain't your 'final say'... )

 

It won't be because dave pays throu the nose like many others and its not nice to be told anyone can do his job without paying anything, it kinda leaves a nasty taste, I know I've been there and until ALL diy shps stop selling gas product ( which will never happen) cos its all about money, there'll always be confusion and its no accident the confusion will never be cleared up,

 

I think some of these lapsed/unregistered professionals have had a bit more than a slap on the wrist too DA.

http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/holmfirth-gas-fitter-james-charlton-4989669

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/george-brown-jailed-gas-fitter-3265095

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr/17/gas-fitter-jailed-carbon-monoxide

http://press.hse.gov.uk/2013/illegal-gas-fitter-jailed-for-dangerous-installation-2/



BTW Walter,(because he's lurking and will read this) Guess where this little gem is copied and pasted from....

• 58 Competence is a combination of practical skill, training, knowledge, experience to carry out the job in hand safely, and ensuring the installation is left in a safe condition for use. Knowledge must be kept up-to-date with changes in the law, technology and safe working practice.
• 60 Gas work should not be undertaken except:

• a) by a person who has successfully completed an industry recognised training course followed by assessment of competence. Training that leads to assessment of competence in safe gas work must be recognised by the industry’s Standards Setting Authority.

 

Joiner in all 4 of the links posted there were faults in the installations, so they were done by a non competent person.

The last post contradicts it's self by stating only a registered person can fit boilers, then saying a competent person???.

By the way I'm a firm believer in only a registered person should touch any form of gas work.

 

Phil,, look at their definition of "competent" Slightly different from Walter's

This is something the DIYer just does not have, because they lack the training, the knowledge and experience. I doubt too whether any DIYer keeps this knowledge up to date .
BTW this is quoted directly from the ACoP published by the HSE. Wanna argue with them Walt?

 

If you read the last paragraph again, you'll see it states that. Gas works should not be undertaken, except , by a person who has successfully completed an industry recognised training course followed by assessment of competence.
See Walter, competence has to be assessed (and I don't think the HSE implies it can be assessed by a DIYer installing their own boiler and it not blowing up in their face)

 

JJ, Phil has pointed out the flaw in your tragic 'headline' postings above - these were all appalling installations carried out by incompetent individuals, and these coves deserve everything they get.

And, again, your definition of 'competence' (two posts above) is one selected to fulfil your argument on this matter - it is not the definitive definition of 'competence'.

I did not need to complete an industrial course, or assessment, or training, or have previous experience in order to fit my own boiler safely. I'm a practical cove so 'understand' the issues involved; I investigated what the technical requirements were such as the required gas pipe sizing and methods of connection ('no compression joints within cavities', etc) - and fitted my boiler to a pretty darned high standard, if I say so myself (happy to post pics of beautifully swept bends, etc... - 'boiler porn' it should be called...)

We can bring this to a close right now - STATE CATEGORICALLY THAT DIYers CAN NOT LEGALLY CARRY OUT THEIR OWN 'COMPETENT' GAS APPLIANCE INSTALLATIONS IN THEIR OWN HOMES.

 

DA,I would happily like to look at pictures of your beautiful swept bends.

 

DA, most of the links (apart from one) were by Corgi/GasSafe registered tradesmen, who on that particular install showed gross incompetence. Remember , these people were trained (and at one time assessed as being competent.
I didn't select the quote about competence because it suited my argument. I copied it and pasted directly from the Approved Code of Practice (something Walter should know all about, but apparently doesn't ) Just because it happens to suit my case is totally irrelevant.

 

there's no escaping killing someone, you're either,

1. incompetent or
2. negligent

either way its porridge time

 

In which case, JJ, being 'assessed, or 'trained' or 'registered' is NO guarantee of 'competence'. So, sadly, it is as Walt says - 'competence' is measured by the end result - a competent install.

 

Hmm, for your own mental stability, I best keep it to myself. I'm not sure you can handle such awesomeness...

 

But there is the element of "assessment" in it, DA. The average DIYer will never have this assessment, but they may well be bloody lucky. More than likely the tradesmen prosecuted did these jobs on a Friday.. (notorious for shoddy work on a Friday, the building trade)

 

lol!! I'm sure your right DA.