Very bad leak in system.

Oh don't be so bludy stupid Phil, for Kryst's sakes...

Tell me - were you disappointed at Austria's recent election result?

 

The pro-EU Italians? You do know that they are significantly pro-EU, don't you, and that this referendum had nothing to do with the EU?

So, simple question, Phil - what do you think of the Austrian outcome? Honest now - what would you have preferred?

 

You're da man.

Oookaayy, then - yawn - tell us what you think about the result in Italy?

Wake me up when you've formed an opinion.

 

"You said Italy is pro EU, clearly its not..." Clearly it's not? From what do say this?

"...how about you explaining how you think the vote was pro EU" I think - and most learned observers agree - that the Austrian vote was essentially pro-EU, and certainly rejected the swing to extreme right wing that we're observing elsewhere (beginning, of course, in Blighty - well done you).

I did not suggest that the Italian vote was pro or anti-EU as it was clearly neither (thank you, JJ). But, the Italians are generally more pro-EU, certainly significantly more so than, say, the Brits are, that's constantly borne out in polls.

So, I am obviously very pleased - hugely relieved - by the Austrian vote; they have shown more common humanity than half the Brits. It was a very good result, and shows that the world isn't necessarily destined to a decade or more of pure hell, with history repeating itself.

The Italian vote? To be honest, I don't know enough about the implications to decide whether it's good or bad. On balance, I fear it's bad as it simply causes more disruption to many already disrupted economy. So not good.

There - I have an opinion and I'm more than happy to share and justify it.

Now it's your turn.

 

I think that Britain has never been a great supporter of the EU and that is a great part of the reason why the masses voted for brexit.

Ironically it has been, mostly but not completely, by the right wing parties not allowing a lot of the benefits to the Brits, but highlighting all of the bad points. I say ironically, because its these very people, the right wing, that the masses are supporting and voting anti eu. You have to look a few steps/months/years ahead to understand why they want out.

The EU is/was very beneficial to the working man, agreed it has/had many faults too, as does any political system. If we had been allowed more of its designed benefits I think we would have been more keen on it and not had ourselves forced into a corner; which is where we are now.

The rise of the anti popularist vote, as majored by a lot of the (very) influential media, is exactly the opposite of what it actually is. Instead of voting against the rise of the right wing capitalists and the division of the people it causes, what we have done is to actually vote for and increase the support of these very people, Farage et al.

The working man has never been so blindly taken down the wrong path unknowingly, for such a long time.

And for those who want to call me a "lefty". I fully agree with the boss making more than the worker, that benefits should only be for those in need, not a necessary prop to survive, and nothing wrong with being a worker at any level. What I dont support is unethical capitalism, getting richer whilst the divide between rich and poor gets wider. But what I hate the most, is how we have been led to believe its the right way to go.

 

So you have consciously, or unknowingly, voted for the methods and ideas of the far right?

Genuine question, is that, honestly, what you thought you were voting for?

Im not trying to make you change your voting decision, and we are never going to view EU in the same way, but I am intrigued. If you agreed with my post, then you accept the far right is getting into power by misleading (at the very least) the general public. Idealy you wanted the exact opposite surely?

 

No I didn't - re-read post #33